DH
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Post by DH on Dec 13, 2008 9:42:51 GMT -5
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doublehaul
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Post by doublehaul on Dec 13, 2008 11:49:23 GMT -5
As a sportsman, taxpayer, NYS Licensed guide and payer of NYS hunting licenses: am outraged!
This should NEVER BE HAPPENING!!!
Isn't this what they SAY the license fees go toward?
and WTF does the animal rights wackos have to do with any of this- A budget lousy move that they are using to bandwagon their own agenda. They act like it's their victory that they fought & won.
Disgusting Oh, BTW Our local EOC just got a Brand new Dodge Durango with all the options- so don't tell me about the DEC cutting costs and saving money. That's just BS!!!!!
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Post by frogge on Dec 13, 2008 12:16:56 GMT -5
Hey, I haven't hunted since I was a kid. Back then the my next door neighbor and entrapreneur raised pheasants for the stocking program. My dog would go over once and a while and kill a few. I had to bury them before he got home from work. Upside was my dog was great come pheasant season. Pheasants were the only game my mom would take seriously. Everything else was handled on a you shot it you cook it basis. I can remember seeing hen pheasants in back of my house trailing a whole brood of chicks. All that said I think put and take hunting is a biologic mistake worse than put and take fishing. I get the impression that pheasants are on the decline( I haven't seen one in the field in years). I expect that is due to a lot of environmental factors. Unless the habitat is changed, trying to artificially support a population is expensive and bad biology. Look on the bright side. We've got a ton of turkeys around and they didn't exist in the state when I was a kid. Just my two cents. I really don't have a stake anymore since I don't hunt. By the way I can use any skins that you pheasant hunters might be getting. Toodles,Frogge.
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Post by montauklax on Dec 13, 2008 17:56:05 GMT -5
I'm with Frogge. I've hunted stocked pheasants and it's far from sporting. I can't get excited over shooting birds that run rather than flush and behave like chickens. There are very few pockets of self sustaining pheasants in the state. We are blessed with grouse and woodcock. That's all the upland game I need.
Use the money for buying new properties or paying encon officers.
If I ever shoot another pheasant it'll be in Nebraska or Montana.
I hope that fish stocking isn't cut in the future but the NY stocking program is overdone. Too many waters are stocked just for the sake of stocking. Some waters just simply cannot support trout. To me, that is really the misuse of our license fees.
We need to accept the resources we have and utilize/protect them as best we can.
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doublehaul
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Post by doublehaul on Dec 14, 2008 4:34:05 GMT -5
Speaking of DEC purchases- I wonder if the closing of the Pheasant Farm comes on the back of buying and setting up the Portly Angler in Pineville. Who does the math on these things? Only NYS DEC could justify saving money by spending it Wait-wait, I know, If DEC has a "training" facility on the Salmon River it means more $$$$ for the state in the way of fines b/c of a greater presents. This is kind of a back-a$$ benefit, it most likley insures that the Salmon River Hatchery will stay open. Gotta keep the suckers anglers coming. Wait until they figure out some wacky new fishing regulations to generate said cash. eg. "Fishing with a size 2 hook is only legal during a harvest moon" Can you believe this?
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Post by greenfield on Dec 14, 2008 7:11:08 GMT -5
the pheasant program is nice but as montauk says, shooting a stocked pheasant just isnt sporting. We have a section of woods that the dec has set up for small game in my area (daketown forest). The parcel, probably about 30 acres of small game habitat is stocked every year for the last 3 years with pheasant, somehow the hunters catch wind of when the birds will be stocked. Kind of like the scenario with fish stocking trucks. They wait and probably 100 hunters will be waiting for the 200 birds to be released, bam bam bam, the stocked birds are wiped out in a day. and a handfull will make their way off of the state land to get hit by cars and stay on private land. very wasteful. Want to stock a small game animal that is easy to breed and has a better survival rate than birds, try stocking bunnies (cottontail).
I knew this grannis guy would be trouble. You can come from the city and expect to know how to better the evnironment for sportsmen.
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Post by streamer on Dec 14, 2008 7:51:26 GMT -5
Its the NYS way.pay more get less,it would be unAmerican for this state to do it any other way.I had heard Portly Angler was sold.didnt know it was the state that bought it.silly me had always thought that the state was bound by law to stay out of private enterprise,I guess I forgot that its also the states way to change the rules when you figure out how to play the game
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DH
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Post by DH on Dec 14, 2008 8:25:29 GMT -5
I was not defending the stocking of pheasant, but rather asking where will the cuts stop? Training and hiring more DEC officers isn't necessarily a bad thing. There are several threads here that complain how DEC is rarely seen afield.
That pheasant article may not be well-written in a way that sportsmen like. It could've said that stocking pheasants is not a viable expenditure of licensing resources because of the natural mortality rate.
Though should this continue to stocking trout, I would hope valid studies defend the decision, not dollars.
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